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3 words to describe.....

by punkofnice in

..your experience with the watchtower corporation:.

i'll start...... bully boy elders.

On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

I must say I agree with Viviane we shouldn't be respecting all beliefs. I outlined my reasons for this in my previous post. But with regards to a person believing in God, or the Trinity, I feel these things which can't be proven and are subject to faith should be respected, or we can realise we are only not respecting a part of that persons beliefs.

Anyway the way I look at it is we live in a room with the lights on and the curtains drawn, but occasionally we are allowed to switch on the light and open the curtains. These are the times where we develop in our thinking and moral compass. And I like to think when I come to this forum, this is a time when I switch the light off and open the curtains.

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

Viviane ( Q)" Why are beliefs deserving of respect anyway?"

The Rebel, thanks for bringing that point to my attention. Maybe we can disrespect a part of a persons beliefs, without suggesting or thinking a persons entire self is unworthy of respect. But you are absolutely right many beliefs depending on our moral compass and education are not worthy of our respect.

bohem I agree on the danger of using characters from a T.V show to reflect how rational/ intuitiative people behave. It was just an illustration to emphathize that non logical thinking is also to be respected.

The Rebel

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

Well let me attempt to answer the star-.trek question.

I think Dr McCoys beliefs are to be respected more than Spoks. Would you not agree that the impeccable logical speech of Spock is not a proper representitive of good thinking? Would you not agree that Dr McCoy is the more rounded thinker, because he takes imaginative and intuitiative risks?

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

A question from star-trek on the respect of the beliefs of others.

When we watched star-trek we observed Dr McCoy is incapable of Spocks immaculate logical thinking. The reason was McCoy was willing to explore hunches and non-conventional speculation,even when not justified on logical grounds.

( A) Was this a strength or a weakness?

( B) Do you think Dr McCoys beliefs should be respected. ( I ask this because I noted Spock generally did not respect McCoys thinking, whilst Captain Kirk did)

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

Agreed Cofty.

But to try and justify my statement, In art I believe the only rule is if it works.Now maybe my non-sequital thinking is breaking rules and you feel it unacceptable? But I still personally think the thought can be presented,or should thinking be so rigid?

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

Stuffwotifnk. " I think knowledge is a prerequisite for love?"

The Rebel. How do I answer your question and keep the thread on topic. " On respect for the beliefs of others?"

In my opinion I feel each time we read something we should find something new in what we have read. This is why i like to respect the beliefs of others. This is also why I like to debate and cross pollinate thoughts with other posters. Personally I have lost my faith in the bible as the authoritive word of a God.But each time I read the creation account I still want to find new thoughts. For example my latest reading of the creation account, I thought if there were two trees in the garden the tree of life and the tree of knowledge. Why not eat from the tree of life first?

But the main point I want to make is that i have concluded, all the hatred I have inside me is based on knowledge. It is often a simple thought of opposing viewspoints to mine that have made me dislike a person.I am trying to correct that viewpoint. In fact without knowledge I do not believe I could hate.

This is why I welcome the opportunity to learn and have my say on a discussion forum. And I try to respect the opposing views of other posters. In my opinion " Iam" is the only thing I can be 100% sure of and I can't proove that. And in my opinion if somebody says they believe in God, and the only answer they can give is " I know" then I respect that opinion. Many things in life are simply a mystery, and as far as I am concerned people can believe what " they know" even if they can't give factual answers to there faith.

How long is a piece of string? There is no answer, because a piece of that string will attach itself to something else.

Of course the above is only my opinion.

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

Thank you for your reply Cofty.

The Rebel. The opposite of love is knowledge.

Cofty (A) Bollocks.

The Rebel ( A) I think your reply is giving justification to my statement. That is assuming your reply " Bollocks" was based on your taking in knowledge of what I wrote and replying as you did?

It should be noted I actually wrote " I have concluded the opposite of love is knowledge."This is only my opinion. But I clarified this by offering my reasons " It is with knowledge that we find reasons to dislike each other, and it is with knowledge that we argue....." I think that was a valid observation for an O.P titled " On respect for the beliefs of others". Would you not agree?

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

Back to the O.P " On respect for the belief of others"

I have concluded people can disagree on everything it is possible to have an opinion.

With threads on God, I have observed most athiests do not accept believers have solid arguments supported by facts.

However In my opinion what is the point of being right if a peaceful resolution is not possible? It is on that basis that I try to be flexible and enter the world view of a poster who has opposite opinions. I look at there case, and how they justify it.

Now admitadly logical and factural statements are welcomed, but in my opinion the only thing I am 100% certain on in life is that "I am". It is also impossible to proove my existence. Therefore how can a believer in God proove the existence of God? On that basis for myself personally I respect the opinion of the believer even if I feel they do not have solid arguments.

This is why I said in an earlier post I have concluded the opposite of love is knowledge. It is with knowledge that we find reasons to dislike each other, and it is with knowledge that we argue with each other, and perceive other people as ignorant. I prefer however to except that some questions do not have an answer they are just a mystery.

The Rebel.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

The Rebel

StarTrekAngel. " Sorry for the long post"

The Rebel, well I don't envy you having to read your way through this " long" thread tomorrow.

The Rebel.